I remember the first time I said a 'bad word' in front of a kid. I was having a conversation, when suddenly my friends' child, who was sitting next to me, gasped and said, "You said the 's' word!" I was shocked, "No, I didn't!" I gasped back. Not only is that not a word I routinely throw out in random conversations, but it's most definitely not something I'm gonna say in front of a young child! He glares at me and says, "Yes, you did, you said," then dropping to a whisper, "stupid."
I stood there for a second, and it kinda took all I had not to argue with a six year old that that was quite possibly the dumbest (or stupidest) thing I'd ever heard -- that's not the 's' word. That's not swearing.
And yet, here we are, years later and I hear at least a few times a week from my children, "Mom! Stupid's a bad word!"
Here's the thing. I don't think 'stupid' is a bad word. I think there are some words that we should teach our children not to say, then there are words we should teach them to use judiciously. And yet, here I am teaching my kids not to say the word 'stupid', 'cause I don't want them to be the 'foul mouthed' child at someone else's house. I don't want another adult correcting my child in public, "Don't say stupid, that's not nice." So, for now, we've just told them not to use the word stupid. Which has backfired horribly on me, 'cause I'm constantly being reamed for my usage of this pseudo-swear-word.
But seriously, some things are stupid. And I want my children to understand that. And I want them to know how to use the word appropriately. Not just put a kibosh on a completely legitimate, useful word. Should I allow my children to ever call another person stupid (even possibly one who is being stupid) . . . no, I don't think so. I wouldn't allow that, it would fall under 'name calling', which is something I'm trying to teach them not to use. (Even if Ellie was calling people 'Bobo Monkies' last night). But running in the street. That's just stupid. Trying to balance a wildly out of whack budget without touching on military spending but wanting to cut PBS, that's just stupid. I want my kids to understand that some things are just bad ideas, and in fact, they're stupid. But apparently, I can't let them say it without people calling them on it and telling them not to use bad words. Don't words have the power we assign them -- do we really need to 'create' new bad words? Don't we already have enough? I get that some families are going to allow their kids to use the word 'behind', some will say 'bottom', others will refer to their child's backside as 'their pockets' and some just might cry out at dinner for the sixth time, "On your BUTT! Now!" I have no problem with each family picking the words they're most comfortable using, and encouraging use of said words. But does it actually do any of us any good to arm our children with more ways to 'classify' people as good or bad, by teaching them that people who say words we don't are being 'bad'. Or, are we all better off teaching our children a single standard of politeness and decency that raises to the highest common denominator? I want my kids at the highest common denominator, don't I? Then why is it I think fake swear word standards are just so, well, stupid? (And yet, here I am, teaching them not to say it, even when I don't agree with the logic . . . that's stupid too, right?)
(Edited to add: here was a comment I left below that probably better clarified where my real issues with this lie:
My kids would be in big trouble if I heard them call a friend 'stupid' . . . name calling, especially bullying, is pretty zero-tolerance around here. You know how I feel about this :-)
And maybe a distinction between using the word as descriptive vs. insulting is one small children can't make for awhile, thus the ban on the word. I just really have this weird issue with outright banning a word, that can be usefully descriptive, from our vocabulary, and making it 'bad', when I don't feel it necessarily has to be. But, they're little kids, and it's identified in their circles as 'bad', so what choice do I have but to ban it too? I just got thinking about this last night, when a dog ran in front of our car and I pointed out it was stupid for the dog to run in the road in front of a vehicle. Ellie immediately ripped me a new one for saying a 'bad word', and I was just sitting there trying to argue with my three year old that , 'no, in this instance, that is a very apt word -- that it is very stupid for the dog to run in front of traffic 'cause it could be killed for playing in the road.' I guess 'it's a bad idea' is the same concept, but I wanted the situation to have more gravity.
I also found that since we 'banned' the word stupid, NOW the girls will call each other that when they're mad, whereas before, they never did. I now have to get really upset with them and do time outs and stuff over a word that had never crossed their minds before to use meanly. I guess that's my big issue -- by banning it, have I given it more power and made it more negative that it had to be?)
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I have so many opinions on this one. I guess for me what it comes down to is that I'm not okay with people using "stupid" when talking about someone, specifically in a name calling fashion. I was raised with that being "a word we don't use". It was defined as a "bad word" aka swear word. My husband hates the word because he was called stupid as a kid. My boys currently like to say, "I hate you mom, you're stupid." We're working on it. Jackson says it so Wyland repeats it. And they say it because it gets such a rise out of me .. lol. "Hate" is the other word that falls into that category. I don't like hearing either words out of my kids mouths however it doesn't stop them from saying it. And let's not even get started on the "R" word .. I know you know what I'm talking about.
With all that being said I guess what it really comes down to is not so much the actual language being used but like you said, the concept of name calling. As parents I figure the best we can do is try and teach our kids that words can hurt (and different words affect people different ways), but the bottom line is that we don't want to hurt peoples feelings. So I guess that also brings it back to tolerating differences in others. Those differences being that maybe "stupid" is an okay word in our world but someone else might really feel bad if you call them that. Good post .. gets you thinking.
CORRECTION: It WAS NOT defined as a "bad word".
My kids would be in big trouble if I heard them call a friend 'stupid' . . . name calling, especially bullying, is pretty zero-tolerance around here. You know how I feel about this :-)
And maybe a distinction between using the word as descriptive vs. insulting is one small children can't make for awhile, thus the ban on the word. I just really have this weird issue with outright banning a word, that can be usefully descriptive, from our vocabulary, and making it 'bad', when I don't feel it necessarily has to be. But, they're little kids, and it's identified in their circles as 'bad', so what choice do I have but to ban it too? I just got thinking about this last night, when a dog ran in front of our car and I pointed out it was stupid for the dog to run in the road in front of a vehicle. Ellie immediately ripped me a new one for saying a 'bad word', and I was just sitting there trying to argue with my three year old that , 'no, in this instance, that is a very apt word -- that it is very stupid for the dog to run in front of traffic 'cause it could be killed for playing in the road.' I guess 'it's a bad idea' is the same concept, but I wanted the situation to have more gravity.
I also found that since we 'banned' the word stupid, NOW the girls will call each other that, whereas before, they never did. I now have to get really upset with them and do time outs and stuff over a word that had never crossed their minds before to use meanly. I guess that's my big issue -- by banning it, have I given it more power and made it more negative that it had to be?
I have totally been chastised by your children for saying the word, 'stupid.' That is a really tough one, cause kids will mimic what we say, without realizing there may be negative connotations if used in the wrong context, but like you said, we give the word more power and meaning by making it 'forbidden.'
I have no answers. I just hope you figure out a good solution before I face this dilemma in a few years . . .
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As you know, I am also conflicted about this. I don't want my kids calling each other names or hurtful words, but I don't see a problem with the word "stupid" to describe stupid things. Yeah, I have no idea. While we were talking about it, Connor yelled at me like twelve times. I have no answers.
This kind of stuff comes up at school all the time. Like so and so said the "c" word, which in adult circles is the mother of all swear words, but to kids, it means crap, which in some houses is totally acceptable, others a swear word. I just try to encourage the kids to be nice, and respectful at all times.
I also hate the term "on your pockets." I don't know why, but I do. I try to tell the kids just to sit flat, but if they don't I find myself saying on your pockets, because I don't want to be a weird-o using the word bottom at school.
As for Quinn, I plan on teaching her to be kind, and respectful, and also knowing their our words we can use at home, and others we can't use at school, or grandma's. We'll see.
Stupid is a bad word in our home too, I just found it is easier to describe something with another word instead of using that on word. But what gets me going is when my kids use the word "I Hate"..... that just bugs me, I am constantly correcting them to use "I don't like". And it doesn't get any better when they are older either.
*should read there are, instead of their our.
I really love this little post you did. The only word we weren't allowed to say was "pissed". And I know that its just cause my mom didnt like it. Well, of course we were told not to swear, but it was hard to enforce when dad was doing it.
I see a lot of your dad in this post. It seems very 'Christensen' to want to teach the proper use of a controversial word to a small child. I bet Talina could do it.
I agree though. I'm not down with banning a word just because you can use it wrong. We would all be speaking in grunts and hand signals if we couldn't use words that could be taken wrong. I like that you tried to reason with Ellie. Some day she will understand.
I think the only words that will be off limits all the time are the traditional swears. Then we will deal with the others as the rear their ugly heads. Like the time Talina decided to use the "child out of wedlock" word all the time in 6th grade. Your family had to find out sometime Talina!
I wish that "stupid" or "hate" or "shut up" were the bad words I was worried about in my house. I have a teenager and a big gap so I am dealing with more severe words. I think it is kind of funny to ban words because like you said, some things are just well stupid, or some things you really hate. I don't like those words in context to people, and I try to tell my kids that it isn't a nice thing to say and it makes people feel bad, but I haven't "banned" any words. I guess right now it is making me seem like the most liberal, what a change ha ha ha. My sister in law has banned "hate" then is often finding herself in trouble for saying it. I think it is silly. I find it sad that we worry so much about being that "house" the foul mouthed house or whatever. I have felt that before more when Winter was younger but I have heard kids say before that we are "bad" because we have alcohol in our house (gasp I know). Mike drinks on occasion and yea we have it, but that doesn't make him a bad person or us bad people and that judgement drives me crazy. I understand why we might teach our kids not to drink and the health ramifications that can come from drinking but it doesn't make people "bad". We parents need to find better ways to teach our kids why we don't do or say things so they understand, and aren't prejudging people before they really know them. You know some foul mouthed people might just be the best people you ever meet. Well sorry for that long rant. Good Post.
That's a great post! Something for me to think about as Ryker gets older.
I did not allow you guys to say you hated people, but you could hate objects. I did explain to you how powerful hate was. I think your children are smart enough to understand the difference between stupid things and stupid objects. I also agree that by banning the word you give it power.
Know that you are doing a great job with your children, there will always be those who disagree with your methods. Do what feels right to you. You will never please everyone.
When you were only 5 years old you drew a pretty picture for a close relative that said please stop smoking so you will not die. You did this out of pure love for this person. This person came to me and told me that I was raising judge mental children and that I should teach tolerance. I explained that the letter came from a deep love and concern and that I agreed with you and you were telling her the truth. Out of mouths of babes. So I would not tell you not to do this. I did teach you that you could not tell strangers that they were bad because they smoked.
Who knew Talina had such a potty mouth. I should have known 6th grade was the year Talina got in trouble in school for the first time. lol
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